Are Paints And Quarter Horses The Same

James Smith
• Sunday, 29 November, 2020
• 9 min read

Paints and QuarterHorses are pretty similar in conformation, mind, and personality. Some breeding stock paints can even be registered with Aqua, I believe.

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My colt Henry is registered Alpha and is a Paint. Paints and QuarterHorses are pretty similar in conformation, mind, and personality.

Some breeding stock paints can even be registered with Aqua, I believe. Like I said, his mom has lots of quarter horse ancestors and his dad is a quarter horse.

What confuses me is colored TB's being dual registered Jockey Club and Alpha ... how the heck...? I guess you can call a Paint a Quarter Horse with color.

Almost every Paint will go back to HQ or TB blood anyways. My Alpha mare has a lot of Aqua breeding further back on her papers.

My Alpha mare has a lot of Aqua breeding further back on her papers. My gelding is being registered in the Alpha so yeah I call him a purebred paint.

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To the questions above... A paint with quarter horse background is not mixed. A lot of quarter horse people think paints are inferior.

But they're not mixed and just as good of horses on the trail and in the show ring. A Paint is either a quarter horse or a Thoroughbred with over or Tobago (and mix of) markings.

Aqua for the longest time did not allow horses with markings above the knee and with excessive white to be registered. This rule has since changed and you have your dual registered horses.

Are they just accepting horses on an approval system similar to pintos? Basically you can register Which and HTB and Text *IF* there is more visible white than if you have Paint parent(s).

Rule RG-070-1 was passed adding a provision for horses with both sire and dam registered with Aqua, Jockey Club or the combination of these two registries. Effective January 1, 2013 (applications must be postmarked after January 1, 2013), horses eligible for registration with the American Quarter Horse Association or the Jockey Club will be eligible for registration with Alpha if they meet the specific registration requirements which includes new color specifications.

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The qualifying area must be a minimum of four inches of solid white hair visible from a direct side view. Excessive white on the head or lower legs will not qualify the horse, nor will white areas located on the lower portion of the horse’s abdomen.

Not sure what you are asking but a paint is a purebred MTR or TB and a pinto is not any particular breed but a color. A lot of people mistake my purebred quarter horse as a paint, because she has 1 blue eye, a star, and a snip, other than that, she is pure black, and pure quarter horse.

One breed, the American Paint Horse has been developed around the pinto pattern. To be eligible for registry with the Alpha, the sire and dam must be registered with the Alpha, the American Quarter Horse Association (Aqua) or the Jockey Club (Thoroughbreds), with at least one parent a registered American Paint Horse.

Firstly it is argued that it discourages breeders from concentrating too much on producing pattern to the detriment of conformation, ability and temperament, and that many minimally marked paint bred horses may well possess superior quality in these other ways. I’m sure that these arguments are not presented without some evidence, but it is sad to think that any breeders could be so shallow or outright callous.

I acknowledge that breeds are essentially artificial groupings that, in most cases, would not have evolved naturally. While the colorful coat pattern is essential to the identity of the breed, American Paint Horses have strict bloodline requirements and a distinctive stock-horse body type.

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In addition to bloodlines, to be eligible for the Regular Registry of the American Paint Horse Association (Alpha), the horse must also exhibit a “natural paint marking”, meaning either a predominant hair coat color with at least one contrasting area of solid white hair of the required size with some underlying pigmented skin present on the horse at the time of its birth. Natural Paint markings usually must cover more than two inches and be located in certain designated areas of the body.

However, in the case of the dominant Tobago pattern, a Breeding Stock Paint will not carry these color genes, though it may retain other desirable traits. Most common are horses with white spots combined with black, bay, brown, and chestnut or sorrel.

Paints may also carry the gray gene and have spots that eventually fade to white hair, though retaining pigmented skin underneath the areas that were once dark. Spots can be any shape or size, except leopard complex patterning, which is characteristic of the Appaloosa, and located virtually anywhere on the Paint's body.

Although Paints come in a variety of colors with different markings and different underlying genetics, these are grouped into only four defined coat patterns: over (includes frame, splash and Sabine), Tobago and over and solid. Breeding Stock Paints can sometimes showcase small color traits, particularly if they carry Sabine genetics.

The tail is often white or white-tipped, and body markings originate under the belly and extend “upwards”. Over : spotting pattern that is a mix of Tobago and over coloration, such as blue eyes on a dark head.

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Solid: A horse otherwise eligible for registration as a Paint that does not have any white that constitutes a recognized spotting pattern. “Chrome”: An informal term of approval used in some geographic regions to describe a particularly flashy spotting pattern.

Pantaloons: An informal term used to describe the color of a horse that has been crossbred between an American Paint and an Appaloosa. A registered Paint horse should conform to the same “stock horse” body type desired in QuarterHorses : a muscular animal that is heavy but not too tall, with a low center of gravity for maneuverability, and powerful hindquarters suitable for rapid acceleration and sprinting.

One medical issue associated with the breed is the genetic disease lethal white syndrome (Los). However, when a foal is born that is homozygous for the Los gene, it should be humanely euthanized shortly after birth, or else will die within a few days from complications involving an underdeveloped intestinal tract.

Los is also not unique to Paint Horses ; it can occur in any equine breed where the frame over coat pattern is found. So looking back on Troubles sires pedigree, I noticed that past the 2nd generation it is all quarter horses.

That is not to say that Tobias can't carry a lot of quarter horse breeding. Thus, when this first happened, some horses could be dual registered as both Paints and Aqua The Paint horse registry then put in a 'protection' policy, so that a Paint had to have one Paint parent APC, which allows outcrossing to Aqua, has the rule that you can't outcross to an Aqua that is dual registered Yes, all three of the stock horse registries were started at about the same time, and before any DNA testing.

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Before that, they were range horses, with breeding not strictly controlled, so often unknown parentage Thus, Aqua put in a maximum white rule, with those that had excessive white (not Appaloosa markings), put into the Paint registry Horses with Appaloosa markings were put in the Appaloosa registry. Problem was, genetics carried, but not expressed, resulted not only in Paints produced by breeding two Aqua parents, but also Appaloosas.

Minimal and solid colored Appaloosas were put into the Aqua registry. The Paint registry continued to accept those offspring from two Aqua parents, with excessive white, known as 'crop outs', until Aqua decided to go with DNA, relaxing the white rule, and thus those crop outs could then get Aqua papers The Paint registry, thus no longer gave Paint papers to those crop outs, as now they have to have one parent that is Alpha.

Anyone who has bred Appaloosas, esp those with Mighty Bright breeding, know that line carries Paint genetics, and I had one filly with a belly patch that was large enough to exclude her from APC papers, due to the “paint marking APC rule. Registries are made made, but don't control gene that are in those horses, and when those registries were formed, based on arbitrary white markings example, so you CNA see how mixed some of those genetics are, going back, just look at the foundation Appaloosa stallion, Bright Eyes Brother.

He was a loud colored stallion, with a blanket, and was by two registered Aqua horses His name itself, arose from the fact, that he had a full sister, named Maddens Bright Eyes, who was a registered Aqua mare, and two times World Champion running horse If you look at their common dam, Plaudette) in the Aqua legends series she has obvious paint markings. Even Maddens Bright Eyes herself, could be called a minimal marked Paint While Loud Appaloosa crops out markings in the Aqua registry are not as common in recent times, there is presently a stallion with a loud blanket, that is both Aqua and APC registered, due to the new policy of the Aqua.

At one time, he would just have been kicked into no men land, or had to be gelded and registered APC under hardship So looking back on Troubles sires pedigree, I noticed that past the 2nd generation it is all quarter horses.

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APC does not allow outcrossing to any other registry besides Aqua, Arabian or TB Paint markings are undesirable, in the Appaloosa registry, for obvious reasons! I explained a bit more above While registries often have a common origin, registries put in policies to help define that registry Even now, you can't cross an Appaloosa out to an Aqua that is both Aqua and Alpha registered, and have a registrable foal.

• Horses : 1 I know this thread is a few months old, but I was having a sort of similar conversation about this today with a friend. I've been reading all the recent posts by Elle and Acadian both getting another horse, so I was scrolling through the sale ads just to see what's out there in my general area.

I made a mention to the friend that I saw mostly QuarterHorses, Paints, and Appaloosa's, when he replied “Aren't they all the same anymore?” So we argued, talked, debated and carried on for a few moments about type, registries, colors, etc.

A few hours later and I'm sitting here wondering (without trying to be offensive in any way of course) what other people think on this topic? • Horses : 0 I wish I could “crop out” my paint mare to Aqua.

Her dam was Aqua/Alpha but her sire was only Alpha (but a lot of Aqua back there). I believe someone proposed a rule change to Aqua where if a paint had so many generations of quarter horse in their pedigree they could apply, but it was shot down.

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Her dam was Aqua/Alpha but her sire was only Alpha (but a lot of Aqua back there). I believe someone proposed a rule change to Aqua where if a paint had so many generations of quarter horse in their pedigree they could apply, but it was shot down.

If he was a reg HQ I could still register Trouble with the APC, especially as he only exhibits Appaloosa traits. Solid bred Alpha his sire is What Asset and dam is a reg.

Aqua by IMA Big League and Scotch Bar Time (on her dam side). It is frustrating and I think he should qualify for some type of Aqua registry like appendix.

It was the way those three registries were formed in the beginning, and so, yes, there are horses thin each of these registries, that carry genetics that were used to define the other ones However, Aqua was formed on a solid colored stock horse, with maximum white rules Horses that exceeded the white rules, and without Appaloosa markings, were put in the Paint registry, and Aqua horses that resulted from two Aqua, after that, and who had white markings that exceeded those guidelines, went into the Paint registry as 'crop outs It is no secret, that at the beginning, some solid Appaloosas, and minimal Appaloosas were by mistake, put into the Aqua registry, sot hat several famous foundation Appaloosa stallions with loud color, had towed Aqua parents However, since both paint and Appaloosa registries are defined by coat colors, it is UN desirable to have either genetics in the breed they do not define Since there are Paint genetics in some Appaloosa lines, thanks to Mighty Bright and others, occasionally those lines will produce a horse that can't get Appaloosa papers, having obvious Paint markings-I should know, having stood a double bred Mighty Bright stallion Smile and her two full sisters, look like minimal marked Paints, yet I could get papers on them, as they did not exceed the Appaloosa white rule, far as size of a WHITE MARKING, on a non Appaloosa marked horse (solid) Another filly, from parents that both had regular Appaloosa coat patterns, and from whom I had raised several full siblings to this filly, also with regular Appaloosa markings, could not get Appaloosa papers, because she had a belly patch that was outside the rules Aqua, in the days of genetics, relaxed the white rule, so that any horse from two Aqua horses now, regard;less of color is an Aqua In fact, there is a loud Appaloosa blanketed stallion, at this moment, that has both Aqua and APC papers Alpha, then put in rule that a Paint horse has to have one Paint parenting many Aqua horses then qualified for dual papers (Aqua Alpha) the Appaloosa registry put in the rule that a dual registered Aqua horse could not be used The point being, you do not purposely introduce Paint color genetics into the APC, or visa versa.

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